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weber

Reputation: 61

Why aren't original passwords stored?

I am new to web development. Am I allowed to store users' original passwords? I know good practice is to store the hashed password using a salt, but why don't we store the original password?

Is it because the database is easily hacked, so hashing protects passwords? Are there any other reasons? If not, I would like to store the original password if it is legal to do so.

Upvotes: 6

Views: 1356

Answers (6)

OTW CHEY
OTW CHEY

Reputation: 1

The original password isn't stored because once the database has been hacked your vulnerable information is at risk including your password so encrypting will not do anything once they have access through other sources. Depending on where you live some sites will store your password in plain text, For example, if your password is Appletree1234 they will stored your password in plain text as Appletree1234. According to Lifehacker.com, when you enter your credentials on the site, it checks them against the database to see if they match.

Upvotes: 0

Palantir
Palantir

Reputation: 24182

The legality depends on the country you live in. But there are best practices, too. And a best practice is to encrypt user's passwords. In this way, if someone breaks into your database, they will not be able to obtain the long list of passwords, and try each one of them in ebay, yahoo mail, and gmail. Users generally use the very same pair of username and passwords for many sites.

As Jon points in the comment, of course there is difference between hashing and encrypting. Hashing is a one-way, data-destructive process, which takes an arbitrary-length string as input, and outputs a fixed-length string. This string is defined in such a way, that changing any single bit in the original input, will cause the hash to be different. If you have a hash, therefore, it is not possible to reconstruct the original text (i.e. it is not possible to recover the password).

On the other hand, encryption proper is a technique where you can recover the original password, knowing secret keys, passwords, etc.

Usually, you want to hash passwords, not encrypt them: it's not necessary, and it is more complex to setup. You are not supposed to recover password either: you will just regenerate them.

Upvotes: 18

jigfox
jigfox

Reputation: 18177

I don't know if it's legal, but nonetheless I would advise against it for at least three reasons:

  1. This is not only about hackers getting access to your passwords. Users often have the same password for multiple accounts (also they shouldn't have). So who says we can trust you or other people who have legal access to this data?
  2. It doesn't matter how secure you think your server is. There is no such thing as absolut security for a server. You should consider that it could be hacked eventually. And don't believe it'll never happen. Hope for the best, but always plan for the worst!
  3. I would use every easy and cheap security I can get to secure not only my data, but also the data of the users. And the method of using a salt+hash is cheap. It will cost you 2 lines of Code. It

Upvotes: 1

Wai Wong
Wai Wong

Reputation: 2843

Imagine if Facebook was hacked, it didnt encrypt any of the user's passwords. Facebook itself has around 200 millions(?) users

What if all of the 200 million passwords were leaked to some evil organization? Many users use same password as their mails or any other sensitive online services such as bank accounting.

Facebook wouldn't be safe at all once. Would you register an account there?

Upvotes: 1

Sjoerd
Sjoerd

Reputation: 75629

It is legal according to the law. Some companies store the password in plain text, so that it is recoverable.

However, for safety reasons this is a bad idea. Once in a while, some company gets hacked and their database is accessed. In some cases, this exposes the passwords of thousands of users. This will severely damage the image of your company, and is even more a security risk when the password is not hashed.

If you want the password to be recoverable, at least encrypt it so that it is not easily viewable by accessing the database.

Upvotes: 0

Anton Gogolev
Anton Gogolev

Reputation: 115809

Yes, it's perfectly legal, though absolutely not recommended to store passwords in plaintext. And it's not that your actual live database can be compromised: even a backup copy can be stolen (without you ever knowing it).

When passwords are stolen, this is very bad for your actual users, since very few of them actually use different passwords for different sites.

Upvotes: 0

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