Reputation: 11548

How do I pick the best number of threads for hyptherthreading/multicore?

I have some embarrassingly-parallelizable work in a .NET 3.5 console app and I want to take advantage of hyperthreading and multi-core processors. How do I pick the best number of worker threads to utilize either of these the best on an arbitrary system? For example, if it's a dual core I will want 2 threads; quad core I will want 4 threads. What I'm ultimately after is determining the processor characteristics so I can know how many threads to create.

I'm not asking how to split up the work nor how to do threading, I'm asking how do I determine the "optimal" number of the threads on an arbitrary machine this console app will run on.

Upvotes: 12

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Joey

Reputation: 354864

You can use Environment.ProcessorCount if that's the only thing you're after. But usually using a ThreadPool is indeed the better option.

The .NET thread pool also has provisions for sometimes allocating more threads than you have cores to maximise throughput in certain scenarios where many threads are waiting for I/O to finish.

Upvotes: 12

bill

Reputation: 1361

If there is no excessive i/o processing or system calls when the threads are running, then the number of thread (except the main thread) is in general equal to the number of processors/cores in your system, otherwise you can try to increase the number of threads by testing.

Upvotes: 0

wkf

Reputation: 842

In addition to processor count, you may want to take into account the process's processor affinity by counting bits in the affinity mask returned by the GetProcessAffinityMask function.

Upvotes: 0

Remus Rusanu

Reputation: 294487

The correct number is obviously 42.

Now on the serious note. Just use the thread pool, always.

1) If you have a lengthy processing task (ie. CPU intensive) that can be partitioned into multiple work piece meals then you should partition your task and then submit all individual work items to the ThreadPool. The thread pool will pick up work items and start churning on them in a dynamic fashion as it has self monitoring capabilities that include starting new threads as needed and can be configured at deployment by administrators according to the deployment site requirements, as opposed to pre-compute the numbers at development time. While is true that the proper partitioning size of your processing task can take into account the number of CPUs available, the right answer depends so much on the nature of the task and the data that is not even worth talking about at this stage (and besides the primary concerns should be your NUMA nodes, memory locality and interlocked cache contention, and only after that the number of cores).

2) If you're doing I/O (including DB calls) then you should use Asynchronous I/O and complete the calls in ThreadPool called completion routines.

These two are the the only valid reasons why you should have multiple threads, and they're both best handled by using the ThreadPool. Anything else, including starting a thread per 'request' or 'connection' are in fact anti patterns on the Win32 API world (fork is a valid pattern in *nix, but definitely not on Windows).

For a more specialized and way, way more detailed discussion of the topic I can only recommend the Rick Vicik papers on the subject:

Upvotes: 5

jerryjvl

Reputation: 20151

Or even better than the ThreadPool, use .NET 4.0 Task instances from the TPL. The Task Parallel Library is built on a foundation in the .NET 4.0 framework that will actually determine the optimal number of threads to perform the tasks as efficiently as possible for you.

Upvotes: 2

Robert Munteanu

Reputation: 68328

A good rule of the thumb, given that you're completely CPU-bound, is processorCount+1.

That's +1 because you will always get some tasks started/stopped/interrupted and n tasks will almost never completely fill up n processors.

Upvotes: 3

Tollo

Reputation: 537

The optimal number would just be the processor count. Optimally you would always have one thread running on a CPU (logical or physical) to minimise context switches and the overhead that has with it.

Whether that is the right number depends (very much as everyone has said) on what you are doing. The threadpool (if I understand it correctly) pretty much tries to use as few threads as possible but spins up another one each time a thread blocks.

The blocking is never optimal but if you are doing any form of blocking then the answer would change dramatically.

The simplest and easiest way to get good (not necessarily optimal) behaviour is to use the threadpool. In my opinion its really hard to do any better than the threadpool so thats simply the best place to start and only ever think about something else if you can demonstrate why that is not good enough.

Upvotes: 4

EKS

Reputation: 5623

I would say it also depends on what you are doing, if your making a server application then using all you can out of the CPU`s via either Environment.ProcessorCount or a thread pool is a good idea. But if this is running on a desktop or a machine that not dedicated to this task, you might want to leave some CPU idle so the machine "functions" for the user.

Upvotes: 1

cjk

Reputation: 46485

I wrote a simple number crunching app that used multiple threads, and found that on my Quad-core system, it completed the most work in a fixed period using 6 threads.

I think the only real way to determine is through trialling or profiling.

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ChrisF

Reputation: 137198

I read something on this recently (see the accepted answer to this question for example).

The simple answer is that you let the operating system decide. It can do a far better job of deciding what's optimal than you can.

There are a number of questions on a similar theme - search for "optimal number threads" (without the quotes) gives you a couple of pages of results.

Upvotes: 1

chaos

Reputation: 124365

It can be argued that the real way to pick the best number of threads is for the application to profile itself and adaptively change its threading behavior based on what gives the best performance.

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Richard

Reputation: 109200

The only way is a combination of data and code analysis based on performance data.

Different CPU families and speeds vs. memory speed vs other activities on the system are all going to make the tuning different.

Potentially some self-tuning is possible, but this will mean having some form of live performance tuning and self adjustment.

Upvotes: 3

Mark

Reputation: 2432

I'd suggest that you don't try to determine it yourself. Use the ThreadPool and let .NET manage the threads for you.

Upvotes: 14

How do I pick the best number of threads for hyptherthreading/multicore?

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